Semi Truck Incident

I wanted to report a bad driver regarding an incident with a semi-truck driver.

It happened last night August 16th about 4:40pm. I was exiting highway 99 onto the 91 ramp heading north. I was driving the speed limit. A semi came right up on my bumper and honked at me. I signaled to him to back off. We then merged onto highway 91 heading north. I was in the slow lane, he was beside me. He signaled and pulled into my lane, cutting me off.

The truck had the trucking company name on it. It was a white semi. He had a full grey beard and dark blue turban. Needless to say, he really scared me and unnecessarily I might say.

Thanks for any help you can offer regarding this incident. As far as I am concerned he is a bully and should not be driving.

Some questions come to mind.

I was exiting highway 99 onto the 91 ramp heading north. I was driving the speed limit.

What limit was in effect, would you say? Entrance and Exit ramps don't typically have a speed limit as they're between other highways or roads and the intention is that drivers will smoothly adjust their speed to the new conditions ahead. There may be black and yellow warning signs, particularly if there's a sharp curve, of course; but no posted limits at that point.

 I signaled to him to back off.

Um, which signal did you use, please?

The truck had the trucking company name on it.

What company was it, and how did they respond when you complained to them? You did call them, one presumes?

Very curious.

Just wondering what difference it makes what the speed was? What possible reason does a semi (or any driver for that matter) have to Tailgate?

It makes no difference if a driver is doing half the speed limit, there is NO EXCUSE to tailgate, period.

I would have got the company name, (you said it was there) and if possible I would also get the Unit #,license plate # & trailer #, I would also note the time & location, (mind you I would have them on Video if I was in my smaller vehicles any ways, that shows my GPS location/speed) And I would report them to the nearest scale house, or CVSE, and ASAP, that way CVSE can stop that semi at the next scale should it cross another scale or be looking for them. I have found that CVSE are more than willing to take action in these situations, at least that has been my experience, as I do report semi's that tailgate me.

I would also contact the trucking company itself as well, with the proper info and tell the company you also reported it to CVSE.

I agree, especially with semi drivers, they should NOT bully other drivers, regardless if you happened to be doing something wrong or not, they are supposed to be "Professionals"

Fair question(s)!

Oftentimes, two different drivers who are, shall we say, unhappy with each other's behaviour behind the wheel will have differing points of view. And I think it's a normal human characteristic to present one's own view of things, of 'what happened'. Two sides to every story, as they say.

Just wondering what difference it makes what the speed was? What possible reason does a semi (or any driver for that matter) have to Tailgate?

No argument, tailgating is rude, dangerous, and illegal. A pet peeve of mine, quite frankly; and a really stupid thing for a truck driver to do, given the mass of the vehicle he's driving and his limited ability to make changes in terms of velocity and space margins compared to the driver of a car.

My question(s) were for the purpose of extracting more information about this circumstance. After all, if a car driver decelerates abruptly for no apparent reason, then a driver following can be caught unaware; not a good situation if he's navigating a curve in a truck/trailer unit.

I have seen it happen where drivers slam on the brakes, in reaction to a curve warning sign, and wondered if this might be the case in this situation. It seemed odd to me that the poster was able to provide the exact time of day/date, and even the clothing worn by the truck driver, but the fundamental facts of 1. the speed limit he was apparently obeying and 2. the name of the company on the truck were both omitted from this report, never mind 3. what steps he might have taken to complain, other than sending Tim an email.

I agree, especially with semi drivers, they should NOT bully other drivers, regardless if you happened to be doing something wrong or not, they are supposed to be "Professionals"

Once again, no argument. Sadly, that 'Professional' designation (which I define as Class 1, 2, 3 or 4 in BC) seems to mean less and less in terms of how some behave.

A lot of my work involves driving seniors here and there, both for retirement homes and an advanced care residence. When your passengers are lacking in ambulatory skills - perhaps half of them in wheelchairs - smooth driving is essential. Adjusting to and tolerating the idiocies of other road users is an essential skill when you do this, needless to say.

I look forward to hearing from our Anonymous driver, who initiated this thread, with answers to the questions asked.

 

Ahh, was wondering.

2nd try posting this comment, I wrote this on the 19th morning, so writing it again.  

Thanks, and yes, always 2 sides to a story, especially driving where some drivers actually think they are doing nothing wrong and could not be farther from truth. and am sure a traffic officer knows that better than anyone, and one of the reasons I have dash cams.

I have to respectfully totally disagree with your one comment though here, especially from a driver instructor,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "  After all, if a car driver decelerates abruptly for no apparent reason, then a driver following can be caught unaware;",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I actually almost can't believe your wrote that as Tailgating is at any speed where if you can't stop in time before hitting the vehicle ahead of you, you were following too close, and that is regardless of if that vehicle is stopped dead in it's tracks or slams it's brakes on for countless reasons, like a human, moose, deer, dog, ect, ect on & on, the list is endless. And one thing I DRILL into the heads of all I teach, even if a boulder brakes off the side of a mountain and lands on the vehicle in front of you and stops it dead in it's tracks, you should be following at a distance (at any speed) to stop in time before hitting it. That way there is no such thing as being "caught unaware" It's always expected something will happen while driving and if it doesn't, then it's just a bonus.

Now that being said I am FORCED into tailgating every time I drive and why I like my dash cam. Even driving semi after being passed the vast majority of drivers cut right in front as soon as they get by, I call that "Suicidal" Even on a multi lane  85 mph freeway, and even with not another vehicle in sight, just mind boggling what some drivers do. Why would you pull right in front of 100 Thousand plus pounds at 85 mph, There is ZERO chance of stopping should your tranny lock up or anything happens, that's why I call it suicide, and I'm not swerving and risking my life because they want to die, but at least I never caught up to them and was the one that caused the tailgating, I will sleep well.

I guess one of us is confused, then?

Please explain.

I have to respectfully totally disagree with your one comment though here, especially from a driver instructor,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "  After all, if a car driver decelerates abruptly for no apparent reason, then a driver following can be caught unaware;",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I actually almost can't believe your wrote that as Tailgating is at any speed where if you can't stop in time before hitting the vehicle ahead of you, you were following too close, and that is regardless of if that vehicle is stopped dead in it's tracks or slams it's brakes on for countless reasons, like a human, moose, deer, dog, ect, ect on & on, the list is endless. 

You seem to be arguing with me, when we're in agreement. Agreeance, if you prefer ...

Of course a driver can be caught unaware, if the driver ahead decelerates abruptly for no apparent reason!

At no time have I endorsed following too closely - rather, the opposite, if you review my posts here. Or my clear statement above:

No argument, tailgating is rude, dangerous, and illegal.

A pet peeve of mine, quite frankly; and a really stupid thing for a truck driver to do

In other posts here, I have pointed out that the most common collision on our roads is the two vehicle accident, and the most frequent two vehicle accident is the rear-ender, as a result of following too closely (often combined with inattention, or distracted driving as they call it these days).

It would be my hope and desire that every driving instructor would drill into their students that following too closely is, as I said, rude, dangerous and illegal. It also costs all of us a fortune in insurance premiums, due to the human injury cost.

My previous responses to this thread were to elicit more information from the original anonymous poster, and I'm really hoping to gain more information; the most useful purpose of this website is, surely, to provide information that we all can learn from.

Your confused and wrong.

And I will gladly explain. Although we may agree on the fact tailgating is bad, dangerous and illegal, your a Driver Instructor on social media and on a drivers knowledge webpage, correct? You, me, Tim and a few others like to have correct information because many new drivers and existing drivers come to look for proper information.

So your comment is completely wrong again, here it is, and I quote you,,,,,, " Of course a driver can be caught unaware, if the driver ahead decelerates abruptly for no apparent reason!",,,,,,,,,,,, Not only is that a very wrong statement, but being said from a driver instructor can actually re-enforce bad driving. A new driver or any driver that reads that coming from an instructor will "Believe" that it's somehow "Normal" or "Acceptable" if a driver is "caught unaware" It can happen to anybody,,,,,after all I read what the driver instructor said,,,,, see how you are completely wrong yet?

I'm not trying to be smart or ignorant, just factual. And NO a driver CAN"T be "Caught Unaware" if they have proper knowledge and are driving with a proper attitude. A GOOD driver is always prepared for the worse things to happen and have a plan should they occur, that includes "Expecting" the driver ahead to slam their brakes on at any second, no matter if there appears to be a reason or not.

For you to make the comment a driver can be caught unaware should instead say Only a Bad, Unknowledgeble, Aggressive driver with a poor attitude can be caught unaware. That way drivers can see it's totally avoidable to be caught unaware, it's not normal or acceptable for a good driver. And then your not giving false information for drivers to use as an excuse that somehow it's unavoidable because an instructor said it happens to "All Drivers" when the Fact is it doesn't. It's that bad attitude thinking it can happen to ANY driver that will keep the insurance rates going up, knowing for a fact it's avoidable to be caught unaware will make more drivers pay attention to their actions, or at least plant the seed in the correct direction.

I hope you see the difference, and realize I'm not trying to be rude or just picky, I'm being genuinely sincere.

I Don't Think So

No matter how good a driver you are and how well you are paying attention to the task, I think that it IS possible for another driver to abruptly do something stupid that catches you totally unprepared.

How could you possibly anticipate the fool beside you in another lane that suddenly cranks the steering wheel to change lanes in front of you and then spikes the brakes? What about a driver stopped at a red light that suddenly accelerates as you enter on the green? I'm sure that we could come up with many instances of things that happen that you cannot overcome, physics just won't allow it.

Yes, you can pay attention and anticipate what others may do and prepare for it, but it is an impossibility to be able to avoid everyone all the time.

I never said always unavoidable

I said always EXPECTED, very big difference. I always assume the driver beside me will swerve into me, I also anticipate every driver cutting in front of me and then slamming their brakes on, I have had it happen more than once. Lucky for one women I was empty and could swerve to miss her, as she did exactly that on a 2 lane Hwy, one lane in each direction, she actually passed me to then spike her brakes because she was turning left into a driveway, had I been loaded there is a very good chance she would have died, because no way would I swerved loaded.

As far as a vehicle suddenly accelerating from a red light I also expect, and again have had that happen, I never go through any green light expecting nothing to happen, like you said MANY instances can happen, there could be an emergency vehicle coming you can not see through buildings, a police chase, on and on and on.

Always expecting the worst to happen MAY HELP you avoid a crash, as it has so far for me, in NO WAY will it ALWAYS keep me from a crash, but I will be expecting it to happen.

So I do agree with your comment here,,,,,,,,,Yes, you can pay attention and anticipate what others may do and prepare for it, but it is an impossibility to be able to avoid everyone all the time.....................

But I NEVER said all crashes were avoidable, so please do not get me wrong, I am only pointing out being caught unaware is a very wrong way to drive, always,,, everywhere..... expect another driver to do anything wrong at any time.

I've Asked

I've asked this lady to keep us up to date on what happens. Hopefully she will.

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