Q&A - Speed on the Coquihalla

Q&A ImageWe travel Highway 5 from Hope to Kamloops two times each year. We are concerned about the increase in speed to 120 from 110. Many of the drivers go well above that limit which causes dangerous conditions. Concerned for our safety.

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No need to worry!

The Coquihalla (Highway 5) Serious Crash rate - as well as the percentage of drivers exceeding the limt -  has reduced since that limit was increased to 120 km/h.

Much to the surprise of many, I dare say.

You'll find more data here, check Page 8.

Where is this supposed crash data?

And the Supposed data that says the speed has dropped or stayed the same? If you or anyone wants to believe that Government Propaganda at best, refuses to to see the TRUTH & the FACTS. Yes PLEASE take a good look at that speed review the government posted. Even stacking the deck by not comparing complete years of data, you will see what they show on all increased Hwy's a .01% drop.in the last 10 years. But if you look at the last 5 years you will see serious crashes INCREASING.

Then anyone with brain that can honestly look at how Transport Canada gets it's (Engineers?) to come up with average speeds traveled can call total BS. The ancient 85th&tile, first used in 1964,,,, Yes over 52 years ago. The theory behind it alone to anyone with a Brain in 2016, can clearly see the Total Fault with still using it in todays world. If your not familiar with it, Please look it up. They pick ONE SPOT for a FEW HOURS, and count ONLY a CERTAIN number of vehicles, not all the vehicles going by this one location. With those #'s they calculate the average speed. Then the actually say that is how EVERYONE DRIVES 24 hours a day 365 days a year, or the next time they do a 2 HOUR RANDOM COUNT again......... REALLY?,,,,, I call it one of the most Dangerous Assumptions the Ministry of Transport uses, talk about 99.9% inaccurate data. Imagine watching part of one minute of a hockey game, and base ALL YOUR information of the outcome on those few seconds.The other MAJOR FLAW is what the whole 85th%tile is based on,,,,,, "That the large majority of drivers are reasonable and prudent"...... Again, REALLY??? Who can honestly make that claim? Take a look around, talk about a FALSE claim, maybe back in 1964 when there was less vehicles, a slower pace of life and a huge amount of humans with far more morals than in todays world.

Then the big topper, ICBC says crashes have INCREASED by an average of 40,000 per year in 2014-2015. That is the Total number, look at the Government speed review, they missed the first 4 months of summer in 2014, which ALWAYS has the HIGHEST amount of CRASHES, So to make a claim the Coquihalla Hwy serious or other crash rates have dropped, is highly unlikely , and to say the speed never increased is also false. At least every time I have driven it, or anyone I know that drives it daily, at 120 km/hr a constant flow of faster traffic goes by, and certainly not at 127 km/hr that what is claimed, it's closer to 135 km/hr with many far faster, as now a driver if caught speeding, can travel up to 159 km/hr without the risk of an excessive ticket and being towed on the spot, and that is if you even see enforcement on the Coquihalla. I also see some that just have to be 180 km/hr and higher, I feel like a slug at 120 km/hr,

So how about before making a claim based on the governments FALSE DATA, let's wait to see the REAL FULL years of data, so a TRUE COMPARISON can be made, especially seeing ICBC shows a HUGE crash increase of 40,000 a year average. Lets be HONEST here, Please.

I travel that stretch of road

I travel that stretch of road this summer at least 3 times and I put my cruise control at 130Km/h and was very rarely passed - and very rarely did I overtake anyone who was travelling considerably slower than I was (with the exception of some transport trucks).  I was actually quite impressed with how uniformly the traffic flowed.

Curious

Why would you knowingly break the law for your entire drive? And if the speed limit was still 110 km/hr, would you still choose to break the law by setting you cruise control at 130 km/hr?

I find besides being selfish, it odd that drivers purposely choose to break the very laws they had to Obey in order to obtain their Privilege to operate a motor vehicle in the first place. Driving at even 10 km/hr over the speed limit on your road exam would have resulted in an automatic FAIL.

 I choose the best reason to

I choose the best reason to exceed the speed limit - safety.  In many stretches of road (all?) the median speed of travel is above the speed limit.  I'd be crazy not to travel with the flow of traffic since it is the safest option.

You choose to risk lives then

Thanks for proving your selfishness and total lack of safe driving knowledge. If you actually did research from all the experts & facts that show worldwide speeding is one of the top 3 causes of crashes, injury & death on our roads, you will see how foolish your EXCUSE to speed is. It is proven to be one of the most DANGEROUS options in FACT.

You not only choose to break the law, but that choice is risking the lives of all drivers the obey the law and take their privilege of driving seriously. And every single day, drivers like you with that exact excuse, alter families lives, by killing & injuring, and then the other consequence of speeding is the BILLIONS of dollars it costs taxpayers every year, and that is just in BC.

Plus by breaking the law, should a crash occur, you automatically include yourself into the Blame of the crash, where if you were following the law it's possible to be not at fault. I can also stand as proof you are completely wrong saying speeding is the safest option, I have driven multi Millions of Kms crash & ticket free, ALL while following the law, regardless of if most are speeding and breaking the law around me.

So with the indisputable facts on worldwide speeding, you are part of the huge causes of death, injury and Billions of dollars of totally preventable crashes. Just so you know the TRUTH rather than your wrong opinion.

Well I definitely am not as

Well I definitely am not as well informed as you are on the worldwide facts of vehicle accidents but traveling with the flow of traffic makes me feel a lot safer and if I recall, there is some science that indicates that the largest predictor of accidents isn't speed but large differentials in speed between vehicles.  I'm not quite following how speeding costs BC taxpayers billions of dollars evey year but my speeding hasn't yet caused me to pay any higher taxes.  If I get a ticket, then I suppose that will cost me but I plan for one ticket a year and I haven't had one for at least 8 years so I can afford it.

As far as risking lives goes, any time anybody drives a vehicle they choose to risk lives.  The fact is that I'm more likely to injure somebody in a vehicle accident if I'm in a car versus sitting on the sofa at home.  These are risks that you have to implicitly accept whenever you choose to use the roads.

risks

The risks go up when speeding,driving impaired or distracted - the cause of 81% of fatalities on BC Roads and most injuries and crashes.

It's actually higher than 8 billion per year

BC Injury & Research had it at 8.8 Billion per year in 2007, so it's actually well over 10 Billion a year now, especially with the last 2 year having a 40,000 average Increase in crashes per year.And as roughly 1/3 of crashes are caused from speeding alone, that put speeding at costing BC over 3 Billion dollars EVERY YEAR. Here read for yourself, don't take my word for it, I'm just pointing out the Facts,,,,, http://www.injuryresearch.bc.ca/quick-facts/motor-vehicle/

Of course driving at any speed does bring a risk to human lives, but it's a proven fact that Speeding Increases that risk with many factors, and as shown speeding costs an extra multi Billions of dollars every year. And yes science does prove that speed differential is a factor in CRASHES, ("Accident" suggests it was unavoidable, which in roughly 90% or more not true) So you and all Speeders are risking the lives of all Law abiding drivers, and it does not have to be a large differential, even 5 to 10 over causes a differential.  Or are you suggesting there should be no laws to follow at all?

Just because the majority are breaking the law, does not make it right, correct?  And at now an average of 300,000 crashes a year just in BC, speeding alone (I never said speed) can account for roughly 100,000 of those crashes, and of those 100,000 crashes caused from just speeding, simply following the law could eliminate those crashes.

And yes if everyone sat on their couch and didn't drive at all, we could eliminate all 300,000 crashes, but people drive, and as just shown, just by drivers NOT speeding that risk could drop by 100,000 a year, see what seems like no problem to you because you have avoided a crash so far, is a major and totally Preventable situation.So YES by you speeding you are AIDING in this problem, just lucky for you not directly Yet, but Indirectly you are as are all speeders are. I hope that helps make sense.

DamnIHateThat

Please take Class1's comments with a  grain of salt. Myself and I'd imagine lots of others can perfectly identify with what you are saying about driving. Class1 is in a class of his own - he's perfectly fine admitting to driving professionally around town with-out a seat-belt (taxi exemption), but goes bonkers on people who are not vehemently denouncing speeding.

Additionally information posted by Class1's source, a medical community publication, does not always correlate to that of ICBC's own statistics.

While the qualifications Class1 touts are nothing short of remarkable, I am still personally on the fence about what this poster really is. They may either be one of the best drivers on earth or the biggest hypocrite in the "speed is killing our children" band wagon. Boy, oh boy, would I love to video Class1's average trip and see which one of the two categories they really fit into.

I feel as if any driver, as long as they recognize their duty of care to others and base their driving choices with the other road users in-mind, can be considered a fairly good driver.

Apologies to DriveSmartBC for an off-topic post.

Thanks for your lack of reading comprehension.

And your lack of safe driving knowledge. Please show me where it isn't TRUE that speeding is the cause of roughly 1/3 of all crashes.

And please also point out what part of ICBC's stats don't agree with what I posted, which by the way was only one of many I could chose from.

And here is you FABRICATING false information about me, copied & pasted,,,,,,,,,, "  "speed is killing our children" band wagon ",,,,,,,,,,,  Why Lie about me? Do you feel if you LIE it makes me look bad or incorrect?  Here is MY comment, copied & pasted, please READ as I clearly differentiated between "Speed" & "Speeding",,,,,,, " And at now an average of 300,000 crashes a year just in BC, speeding alone (I never said speed) can account for roughly 100,000 of those crashes, " ,,,,,, which BTW are ICBC's stats:-)

And Yes, when I used to drive Taxi, of course I never wore my seatbelt while in town at 70 km/hr or less, why would I? To further risk MY life, it is a Law for the safety of the Taxi driver, and in no way like speeding causes 100,000 crashes a year. So what is purpose of pointing that out? What does that prove except I'm smart & safe.

I'm far from alone with my driving record, and because you find it remarkable by no means make it false in any way shape or form, it mostly shows your lack of safe driving knowledge and bad driving attitude, simple as that. You prove that alone by trying to justify "Speeding",,,, and by simply pointing out what the experts and statistics show as FACTS that speeding is a major cause of crashes, how is that, (AS YOU SAY) going Bonkers? Pointing out SAFETY that could in turn save lives.

Sure like to know who you are that drives you to continually attack me personally,,,,,,when all I am doing is pointing out FACTS & SAFETY,,,,,,,, But please prove what I say wrong,,,, but with facts, not your OPINION,,,, Thank-You.

I think I understand your

I think I understand your point now.  It upsets you that by travelling the posted speed limit and being law abiding, you are put at risk because the vast majority of the rest of the motorists are travelling at a speed significantly greater than yours.  This creates a speed differential which puts you at risk.

It makes total sense that this would frustrate you.  I suggest you come over to the dark side with the rest of us maniacs.

Then Your UNDERSTANDING is 100% WRONG.

You are very confused in fact, you seem to have missed the Point & Facts and somehow taken me pointing out proven facts from the experts worldwide that science backs up as being my opinion.

I'm not upset or frustrated as you Wrongly believe, I am pointing out through FACTS from the experts what is Safe driving, and like your driving and CompetentDrivingBC totally 100% Wrong Advice (SEE my #7 post on this thread) are in fact the dangerous ones by choosing to Ignore the very laws you had to follow to Obtain your license in the first place. I could attach many links that agree with what I post, but I will even use the EXPERTS that CompetentDrivingBC added the LINK for, ( SMITH SYSTEM ) that have been teaching driving safety for 65 years that PROVE CompetentDrivingBC WRONG in his OPINION and yours that Speeding is in any way, shape or form safer,,,,,,, You will find your beliefs/opinion are not just 100% Wrong, but very dangerous & deadly on our hwys & roads every single day.

I suggest instead of trying to joke about what KILLS, INJURES & DEVASTATE'S Families everyday, and cost BC alone BILLIONS of dollars every year, to educate yourself to the TRUTH & FACTS, I recommend besides just reading what proves your beliefs wrong, for you to take a defensive driving course before you become a statistic.

Reducing Risk of Collision is Safe - Obviously!

Yo, DamnIHateThat! You may be encouraged to know that the fundamental principles of Defensive Driving are based on maintaining Visibility for the Driver & Space for the Vehicle. This combination provides the necessary Time to React when things do go wrong. An 'accident' (still a term in common usage, though collision or crash is indeed a better descriptive as 'accident' suggests random chance or something that isn't preventable) cannot take place unless two or more objects try to occupy the same space at the same time. These concepts certainly aren't my idea, though!

They were developed by the Smith System Driver Improvement Institute, the premier Driver Safety Training organization in North America.

I have taught the principles of Smith System driving to many people over the years - particularly to those requiring mandatory remedial instruction as a result of too many speeding tickets, as it happens.

Smith System is taught to Greyhound Bus drivers as being among their essential skills. Smith System is taught to RCMP Officers as being among their essential skills.

In fact, if you click on that link, you'll see that Smith Sytem is simply the pre-eminent Defensive Driving organization.

Obviously, as Phil points out (quite often, really) Distracted Driving is a root cause of many collisions; but a Distracted Driver can't hit you if there's a sufficient buffer of space between you.

Equally obviously, as Phil has also pointed out (quite often, really) Impaired Driving is a significant cause of many collisions; but an Impaired Driver can't hit you if there's a sufficient buffer of space between you.

As for Speeding, well that's been cited as the cause for crashes by the Police (who give most of their attention to it) for decades, now. And certainly, it's a very significant factor in many crashes and not to be ignored!

But for anybody to suggest that obeying all the rules and regulations rigidly is the cure-all when it comes to staying safe on the roads is absurd. It's far more important to follow the basic principles of Smith System driving - managing space and visibility, in order to always have time to react - and quite frankly, if everybody else is doing 130 km/h then I'll be doing 130 km/h too, while maintaining my space cushion as much as possible.

 

It's safer, that way!

exessesive speed for condtions

130 is fine until some goes wrong.Imagine that semi driver's terror when he saw that line of cars stopped and he couldn't. Imagine the terror of those being hit. Stopped-following the rules.

Good to have so many well qualified posters on this site.Obviously BC has a growing road safety issue and there needs to be more investment in education and enforcement.

 

90 Km/h is also fine until

90 Km/h is also fine until something goes wrong.   Choosing a speed to travel means factoring in that increased speed means less reaction time, increased stopping distance and probably many other negatives.  Over the course of my trip I will encounter fewer drivers if I travel with the flow of traffic.  That's fewer distracted drivers, impaired drivers, drivers with mechanical issues, drivers with unsafe loads, etc.  Whether that's 120Km/h or 8 percent faster or slower isn't the primary indicator of who will get in an collision, in my opinion at least.  As a driver, we can choose to drive more slowly, we can increase the space around our vehicle to the next vehicle.  We can also choose vehicles and tires which give us very short stopping distances and better than average traction etc.

Simply Amazing Again

A driver instructor CONDONING SPEEDING. When all the experts and proven stats show that speeding is the direct result of roughly 1/3 of all crashes. You even claim SPEEDING IS SAFER,,,, Just wow, you don't mind that I took a Picture of that post do you?

How is it safer to travel faster than the speed limit? And why can't a driver maintain a safe space and visibility at the speed limit? I sure have no problem with that. It makes no sense to say doing 130 km/hr on a 120 km/hr is safer, especially knowing the FACT that driving in the right lane at or below the speed limit still allows the Law Breaking Dangerous Speeder to go past you, all without INCREASING your own speed,,,,,,, Speeding slows your reaction time, increases the risk of a crash, lowers the maneuverability of the motor vehicle being driven, Increases the distance it takes to stop.

And Increases your Insurance should a Crash occur as now you are speeding & breaking the law, and Increase the severity of the Crash, which in all likely hood will also Increase the Injuries and or Increase your chance of DEATH. Yes Physics will prove all of that correct.

And as I Never speed, and have driven multi millions of Kms crash free, in multiple countries, your saying if I was to speed I would be SAFER???? 

And the other what I find obvious, yes a DUI or a Distracted Driver can HIT YOU regardless of how defensive you drive, sure leaving the correct space WILL eliminate a majority of the risk, but you will NEVER ALWAYS be able to maintain that space, you will pass or be passed, and while that is happening a collision can occur, So to make this Claim,,,, "  Obviously, as Phil points out (quite often, really) Distracted Driving is a root cause of many collisions; but a Distracted Driver can't hit you if there's a sufficient buffer of space between you.Equally obviously, as Phil has also pointed out (quite often, really) Impaired Driving is a significant cause of many collisions; but an Impaired Driver can't hit you if there's a sufficient buffer of space between you,,,,,. " Is Completely FALSE, it will help MOST OF THE TIME help in keeping a sufficient buffer as much as possible, but don't believe "Can't Happen" 

 

You are easily amazed, I guess.

  I get tired of this, but here is my polite response.

Simply Amazing Again

A driver instructor CONDONING SPEEDING. When all the experts and proven stats show that speeding is the direct result of roughly 1/3 of all crashes. You even claim SPEEDING IS SAFER,,,, Just wow, you don't mind that I took a Picture of that post do you?

How is it safer to travel faster than the speed limit? And why can't a driver maintain a safe space and visibility at the speed limit? I sure have no problem with that. It makes no sense to say doing 130 km/hr on a 120 km/hr is safer, especially knowing the FACT that driving in the right lane at or below the speed limit still allows the Law Breaking Dangerous Speeder to go past you, all without INCREASING your own speed,,,,,,, Speeding slows your reaction time, increases the risk of a crash, lowers the maneuverability of the motor vehicle being driven, Increases the distance it takes to stop.

Whether or not I'm a Driving Instructor is irrelevant. It's not as though they program us when they issue the license! I've had my Driving Instructor Liecnse for 29 years as of next Wednesday.  But I'm also a driver who has spent 45 years behind the wheel on BC highways, and I have gathered some experience and understanding from that.

So get over it. Over the years, I've formed opinions, based on experience and input from experts who know far more than I do. Also, I'm far more qualified than you.

What you have a problem with is irrelevant.  According to your previous comments, you've spent most of your career behind the wheel driving heavy truck. No danger from being followed too closely, no ability to accelerate swiftly, or even to change direction. Kind of a mobile road block almost, as is the case for every one of those class one drivers we see out there.

But you need to understand some basics!

A driver cannot maintain space and visibility at the speed limit, if the traffic ahead is traveling more slowly. So there goes that idea.

A driver can be an obstruction in the flow - triggering unnecessary tailgating and lane changing if slavishly following the limit, in circumstances where all around him are moving more quickly. And that isn't safe, by any reckoning.

What I find interesting is that, while you're eager to condemn our friend DamnIHateThat for his quite reasonable behaviour, as you are also eager to attack every contributor to this website who puts forward a different point of view than your own, you have very little to offer in order to help us all make the roads safer.

Perhaps you'll care to respond - without hyperbole, or personal attack, never mind your multitudinous miles of experience - so that you can make it plain how DamnIHateThat's driving style is actually dangerous, given that he seems to be maximizing his space cushion?

But given your history, I doubt it ...

Total contradiction

And no you are completely Wrong again, I have ZERO problem driving my car or 4x4  or any vehicle at the speed limit, and keeping a safe space & visibility, there is NO reason for me to SPEED, If I follow the 120 km/hr speed limit in the right lane, Dangerous Speeding Lawbreakers can pass me in the left lanes. Proving you completely wrong. 

Here is your contradiction,,,,,, " A driver cannot maintain space and visibility at the speed limit, if the traffic ahead is traveling more slowly. So there goes that idea."   What???? If traffic is traveling more slowly, WHY is it YOU have to SPEED? And why does that prevent you from keeping a safe distance, that makes no sense.If traffic is traveling slower than the speed limit, I can still leave the proper space by myself traveling below the posted maximum speed limit, So there goes that Idea.

Then this,,,, "A driver can be an obstruction in the flow - triggering unnecessary tailgating and lane changing if slavishly following the limit, in circumstances where all around him are moving more quickly. And that isn't safe, by any reckoning." ,,,,,, If I am traveling at the maximum posted limit, and Dangerous Speeding Selfish Lawbreakers want to Ignore the law and safety of other drivers, and go against all the proof & stats that show speeding is what causes roughly 1/3 of all Crashes, then they can simply pass me in the left lanes, they don't have to tailgate me, and it's their choice to make unnecessary lane changes if they chose to Speed and break the law. How is me obeying the Law and driving Safely in your mind Wrong?

That is why you being an Instructor is a big deal, you teach and should know better, then claim ,,,, " Also, I'm far more qualified than you." ??? I have no Idea how you can make that claim,(Your Proof????) you may have a few years on me, but I am willing to bet I have far more experience than you, Have you driven over 5 million kms crash & ticket free, and all while following the LAW, the answer is NO, because you yourself make Excuses to IGNORE the law, and that somehow, (AGAINST all the PROOF) insist SPEEDING is SAFER???? So with your logic, I should have been in COUNTLESS crashes by now following the speed limit.

Another FALSE comment of yours,,,, " What you have a problem with is irrelevant.  According to your previous comments, you've spent most of your career behind the wheel driving heavy truck. No danger from being followed too closely, no ability to accelerate swiftly, or even to change direction. Kind of a mobile road block almost, as is the case for every one of those class one drivers we see out there.",,,,,,,, First is sure I have driven semi's for years, but I have had driving jobs my entire driving life of 39 years, that also included smaller trucks, 15 pass vans, Taxi's, so how is that IRRELEVANT again? And even in a semi, you are totally WRONG again to state "No Danger from being followed to closely" WHAT??? And you claim you are more qualified than me,,,,, please explain how I am in "NO DANGER" just because I'm in a semi,,,, what an Uneducated comment.

Which brings me to my final point that proves you completely wrong trying to justify breaking the law is somehow Mandatory and speeding is (SAFER???) According to your logic. Here is your comment,,,,, " A driver can be an obstruction in the flow - triggering unnecessary tailgating and lane changing if slavishly following the limit, in circumstances where all around him are moving more quickly. And that isn't safe, by any reckoning.",,,,,,,,,, First off, "Where all around him are moving quicker" So "NO ONE does the speed limit or slower everywhere you drive? The ENTIRE hwy every driver is SPEEDING at the exact same speed??? This even flowing speeding traffic NEVER catches up to the Millions of Semi's on our Hwy's that are at a constant CHANGE of speed depending on it's weight and Grade of it's surroundings, or do these Semi's CAUSE you to Crash every time this speeding pack catches up to them, after all it forces you to Tailgate & Change lanes, and as you pointed out as your logic,,,,, " A driver cannot maintain space and visibility at the speed limit, if the traffic ahead is traveling more slowly. So there goes that idea.",,,,,,, See how you logic is completely WRONG? There is NO HWY or ROAD that traffic travels at the exact same speed, and almost every road & Hwy has semi's, So to drive safely, a driver must constantly adjust their speed,,,Correct? Your simply making EXCUSES to risk lives and break the law,for no reason what so ever, your also increasing the chance for a crash by lowering your reaction time, increasing your braking distance, reducing the handling ability of the motor vehicle your driving, risking your Insurance by breaking the law. Your also CHOOSING to Tailgate & make more lane changes and more decisions which leads to more errors by choosing to SPEED, no one is FORCING you too drive more dangerous, that is the choice of every driver, same as the choice to drives safely and within the law.

Slandering a respectable Safe Driver Training Company

I would like to state the TRUTH for all the readers on this site, the completely FALSE claims and Misleading Belief  CompetentDivingBC has made using the Driver Safety Training's name ( Smith System Driver Training) to lead you to believe that somehow SPEEDING IS SAFER,,,,,,, This is a 100% FALSE claim according to "Smith System"

They NEVER have or do teach that Speeding is Safer, As I have claimed and CompetentDriverBC keeps DENOUNCING ME ON,,,,, FOLLOWING the speed limit (Never Speeding) & the Laws is the SAFEST way to operate a motor vehicle.

As I claimed, there is no reason to speed just because the "FLOW" is speeding, following CompetentDrivingBC's Advice is wrong according to the safety experts, you can keep a safe distance at or below the posted Maximum Speed, just stay in the right lane unless necessary to move to a left lane.

So following this thread (Speed on Hwy 5) I would suggest to all the readers that could very well be Mislead into thinking that somehow  (SPEEDING is SAFER???) as CompetentDrivingBC has STATED,,,, for TRUE SAFETY, to IGNORE the Advice of CompetentDriverBC  and follow my advice that agrees with "SMITH SYSTEM" to NOT SPEED and drive Within the LAW, Smith System has been teaching for 65 years now and are a very respected company.

I would suggest to totally IGNORE CometentDrivingBC's comment here, copied & pasted,,,,, " But for anybody to suggest that obeying all the rules and regulations rigidly is the cure-all when it comes to staying safe on the roads is absurd. It's far more important to follow the basic principles of Smith System driving - managing space and visibility, in order to always have time to react - and quite frankly, if everybody else is doing 130 km/h then I'll be doing 130 km/h too, while maintaining my space cushion as much as possible.    It's safer, that way! ".................

As SMITH SYSTEMS DRIVING in NO WAY agrees with that statement, they in no way suggest that breaking the LAW is safer,,,, that is a total FABRICATION.

This is NOT an ATTACK, this is to POINT OUT the TRUTH and keep the readers from being MISLEAD by FALSE claims using a top in the field Companies name to try and support a "Very Wrong OPINION" 

Slander? You should be careful, is my advice.

CompetentDivingBC has made using the Driver Safety Training's name ( Smith System Driver Training) to lead you to believe that somehow SPEEDING IS SAFER,,,,,,, This is a 100% FALSE claim according to "Smith System"

I'm not at all sure that you're familiar with the Smith System; I'm pretty sure you haven't mentioned it before, despite your numerous posts where you tell others how they ought to behave on the road.

I received my Smith System training from a gentleman by the name of Byron Briton, a pioneer in Driver Education; for most of his life he was stongly involved in the DSAA, and was also a pioneer in the application of Dual Controls as teaching aids. His Smith System training was provided by a guy called - Harold Smith.

But it's not all black and white, is it? OK, that was bad ... the fundamental principles of Smith System haven't changed, they have only developed.

The thing about Smith System, both as originally taught and developed my Harold Smith - and copyrighted by the Smith System Institute these days - is that it hasn't ever been based on following the speed limit. It's not a Rule - it's a Concept, of managing time and space in order to drive more safely.

Of course Smith doesn't advocate speeding! They ignore it, basically, and deliberately. A lot of the time, particularly in city traffic, Smith System driving results in driving at a lower speed than the posted limit.

It's all based on Space, Visibility, and the Time that a driver need to deal with the situation(s) ahead and around him.

And like it or not, this isn't a "Very Wrong OPINION".

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I drove south across the Lion's Gate Bridge today, and through the Stanley Park Causeway; in the centre lane as there were two lanes open southbound. Averaging around 70 km/h, occasionally up to 80 km/h.

Why? Because I could see about 50 vehicles ahead of me (at the peak of the bridge), in both lanes, doing the same thing. And about the same number of vehicles behind me, in both lanes, following.

Frankly, the posted 60 km/h limit was irrelevant, in this situation. Safety was paramount.

As I'm sure that most who view this site would agree.

Just ignore the indignant self-righteous

Competent,

This guy is like Peter Griffin's father in the Pope episode.

If Harold Smith rose from the grave and told him that he's wrong, he'll just say that Harold himself is wrong.

The basics of Smith System are even taught in race driver training - which is obviously not about limiting your speed, because it just makes sense at any speed and setting:

  • Aim high in steering.
  • Get the big picture.
  • Keep your eyes moving.
  • Leave yourself an out.
  • Make sure they see you.

Smith System

Does teach to follow the law on public roads, so suggesting that they support speeding as part of SAFE driving I know to be 100% FALSE, and they do teach to drive within the laws.

Managing time & space & visibility can be followed all while staying within the boundaries of the LAW, no where do they suggest "FOR SAFETY" to break the Law & Speed by staying with the "FLOW of Speeders."

How do I know this you ask, because the PRESENT  Vice President of Training at Smith System Driver Improvement Institute, Inc. "Walter Cole" has told me Personally,,, NO, they do NOT train that SPEEDING is SAFER.

So if anyone cares to show me where Smith System claims going with the "Speeding Flow" is somehow SAFER, as has been wrongly claimed in this THREAD, I will be happy to check your FACTS with Walter Cole.

facts on increased accidents and speed

The facts are that the number of crashes have increased by over 50,000 and the injuries and fatalities have increased since speed limits were raised and slower drivers in left lanes were targetted with a new law.The message has been clear from the BC Goverement who want traffic to move faster. There is quite a cost to this approach, but few seem too concerned publicly. I think the  silent majority recognize that this policy has made BC Roads more unsafe-the people who vote.

 

As Tim writes often, it is up to everybody to do their part, but when the leadership accepts higher numbers of  crashes, injuries, deaths  ,as just  a cost of going faster-there is simply not much any one can do but vote for change in 2017.

Experience of a regular Coq. driver

I live in the Interior and travel that highway at least 4 times a month, though I tend to use it at non-peak times. If you don't do so already, I suggest driving in the climbing lane (where one exists). I always drive in the climbing lane to give myself more separation from those who don't want to do the speed limit, in case something happens. I've observed that the people doing 140+ generally always drive in the far left lane.

My own concern with that highway is not so much people travelling at 130-140 km/hr (as a noticeable number of people do now), but people tailgating at that speed (who don't seem to understand the "except to pass" portion of the keep right law). I'm of the opinion that autonomous cars could resolve speeding and tailgating related issues, once the technology has been sufficiently developed.

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