Q&A - U-Turn Ticket Questions
I was given a u turn ticket under section 168 (b) (iv), on 104 avenue and 158 street in Surrey BC. You can get an idea of what this intersection looks like using google maps:
I was driving on 104 avenue, going towards the highway direction. I was in the left turn lane. I waited for a few cars to pass by. I saw the police cruiser parked by the lamp post on the side where the coast hotels is. I slowly and safely did a u turn when it was safe after waiting. It was a nice sunny day around 2:35pm on a Wednesday. There were no cars behind me on my turn lane, no cars going, no cars really going towards the highway direction, no cars on the sides of the street other than the police cruiser parked. And perhaps 1 car just exiting the highway and coming towards me, but was far enough deemed safe for me to do u turn.
I was pulled over. By the time I pulled over, I had enough time to be in the driveway of my home. The ticket was given to me on the front lawn of where I live. Neighbors saw what happened too. I have been living at this residence since 2005 if I could remember. Theres never really been a car accident in that intersection. People have been u turns all the time in this area. I often see police parked here, waiting for possibly speeders. I just happen to decide to do a u turn in front of one that day. The police officer gave me the ticket and that was it. No reasoning, no lecturing of what I did wrong, or talked to like a real person.
In some places where you read what the rules are, it will say it is illegal to do a u turn if it is at a intersection where there are control lights. In some places you read, it will say if there is a traffic control signal has been erected, not sure if they mean stop sign on the side of the street.....but where this incident happened. There is 1 stop sign, but it is not facing me as a driver, it is facing where the police cruiser can see it. This was not done on the top of a hill,.....if there was a hill, it is ever so gradual and not steep that it is irrelevant. Not done in a business area...I did not interfere with traffic enough where it would cause oncoming traffic to brake, honk or anything remotely deem unsafe. The police is parked where his field of vision may be blocked by the plants and hotel sign. There are no signs that say I can't do a u turn there, theres one sign that says no exit, you may see it as you just turn left.
Now if looking at the rules icbc lays out for u turns. for us drivers...I can't be sure if I did do something illegal or not. Unless the police book is more in depth and we don't know about it as the public. Some people say to pay and move on, people who actually know the area say to fight it....I want to fight it as I felt bullied and this was not worth a $167 ticket and for it to be on my record for 5 years with points. Should I fight this and what are my chances? Win? Pay less? Or lose? What happens if I lose, do I end up paying 2x in fees?
I forgot to mention that on the ticket itself, it says this happened on 104 avenue. But the officer did not state exactly what intersection 158st and 104 avenue where it happened on the ticket. Also his signature is just loops of the letter l.....He does have the police officer # however.