Speed Measured by Pacing

Q&A ImageQuestion: I was stopped by a motorcycle officer over a 60 kph bridge. I was going over the posted limit and unaware of the excessive speed consequences. The officer said that he was pacing me and I was "pulling away from" him. I was asked initially how fast I thought I was going and ignorantly and mistakenly guessed 110.

image of police vehicle pacing a speeding driver

I'm unaware of how long the officer was pacing me. Going over the bridge I only accelerated on that portion, which is a tiny span of road on a fairly light traffic day. Due to the fact that I was pulling away from him, he said that the ticket he was writing was for a lesser value than what it could have been.

The officer's notes for the ticket state 110+/60, 1 > 3 > 4, and Pace 1/2 back. What do those notes mean?

While the officer will likely give sufficient evidence to prove that I was over 40, do the circumstances of lacking radar equipment allow me to have a case in traffic court?

Is a motorcycle's speed harder to gauge by the pacing method?

Would my best course of action be to consult a lawyer? Or negotiate having the penalty reduced to non-excessive? Is this something that is possible, even though the officer refused to do that upon issuing the ticket?

If I do get the charge changed, would I be compensated for monetary losses for the impound fees?

Pacing is an Acceptable Method of Speed Measurement

Pacing is a method of measuring speed that is accepted by the courts. The officer will say that they matched speeds with the vehicle in question, followed for a period of time and used a speedometer with confirmed accuracy to verify the speed.

If the vehicle being measured is visibly moving away from the pacing police vehicle then it is a valid assumption that the speed is above that shown on the police vehicle speedometer. How much above will depend on the officer's ability to accurately describe and express an opinion on it and the possibility of countering that testimony if the accused chooses to testify.

The officer's opinion of speed is also accepted by the court as is anyone's that has experience driving a motor vehicle.

Ticket Notes are Often Personal Shorthand

I can only guess what the officer's notes mean. They are unique to the individual that made them and you will have to ask, either at trial or via a disclosure request for their meaning.

Use of Radar or Laser is not Necessary

Radar or laser are not required for the prosecution of a speeding offence. To me, the pace would be "solid evidence" and you will have to find a way to discredit that.

Retaining a Lawyer

You can certainly ask a lawyer for advice. I always mention Lawyer Referral as it is an economical way to do that. You can always negotiate with the officer too. The outcome of that will likely depend on how strong a case they feel they have.

Refund of Impound Fees

Finally, the impound fees are not refundable if the courts decide on a reduced speed penalty. RoadSafetyBC advises the following:

Vehicle impoundment which occurs at the roadside is an administrative process, and cannot be revoked as a result of a successful dispute of a traffic violation ticket. The vehicle impoundment remains valid, and all related costs are the responsibility of the driver or vehicle owner.

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Thanks for the answer, I suspected this was the case, but the solid confirmation gives me a better grasp overall. I hope this information is useful to others. I will update upon ruling.  

I doubt this is an area of expertise, but the entire incident according to the disclosure happened within 750 meters, or just under 1/2 a mile, from point of contact to being pulled over. From what I could tell from some quick google searching, there is no limitation on how long an officer needs to pace a vehicle to provide an estimate. Do you think by chance there would be argue that the estimate would be inaccurate based on the short distance? 

I expect to see a reply telling me to find a lawyer for these questions...but please entertain me? 

Thanks

 

All that I have ever needed to do in traffic court was to testify that I matched speeds with the vehicle being paced and then read what was shown on the police vehicle's speedometer. I was always careful to explain that I matched speeds, insured that the vehicle I was pacing was neither becoming closer nor pulling away and that I had verified the speedometer and my radar were reading as expected during patrols that shift.

No one has ever raised the point about any specific following distance although this would characterize the incident as either one being short term or one being a more deliberate choice.